Here’s a little area for those of you Lost fans to comment. I hope to be able to respond to any questions or comments on the TV Show as soon as I can, but I’m really hoping that you all will check in weekly (daily) and drop some theories, questions, observations about the show for all of us to analyze. I will try and post a blog once a week about the previous episode as well.
Enjoy!!!
MS. HAWKING:
(amazingly, she actually looks a little like Mrs. McLain…for those of you that know her….just a little)
Anyway, Ms. Hawking ran a jewelry store in London where Desmond went to buy an engagement ring for Penny in the Season 3 episode “Flashes Before Your Eyes”. She was offended when Desmond wouldn’t give the ring back to her and explained that she knew him and exactly what he was going to do (including on the island pushing the button). She told him that pushing the button was the single most important thing he would ever do and if he didn’t then “every single one of us was dead”. She explains to him that the universe has a way of course correcting and that death cannot be avoided. She also appeared in a photo on the desk of Brother Campbell (monk at the monastery with Desmond) in the episode “Catch-22″.
****one little factoid about Ms. Hawking…
She wears an ouroborus pin in the episode with Desmond. An ouroborus is an ancient symbol of a snake devouring its tail.
It generally represents the cyclical nature of life. Funny thing is….Ms. Hawking’s pin doesn’t quite form a full circle…..hmmmmm.
Dharma Computer = Dharma Station?
2/26/09 -
I noticed that a few of the maps that Caesar pulled out in the beginning of last night’s episode looked familiar…..here’s why (I’ll get the screenshots from last night up for the recap next week…but just trust me on these):
#1 –
(although brief) was a copy/or the original, I couldn’t tell, of one of Rousseau’s maps from the 1st season episode, Solitary. Here’s a pic from that episode:
This was one of the maps shown tonight (I’m 100% sure)
#2 -
Faraday’s map to the Tempest from last season (here’s a pic of it):
again, I’m 100% sure that this is the main map that Caesar picked up last night….
and finally…
#3 –
a page from Faraday’s journal:
this is the last page that Caesar picks up before being distracted by seeing the gun under the desk (what’s even stranger than a page from Faraday’s journal being in the Hydra station? It’s a copy of the original page….)
I’ll delve into this stuff in the recap next week, but it definitely provides some food for thought (2 of Faraday’s things, 1 of Rousseau’s – although I believe that Sayid was the last person that had that map——-how did someone get a hold of these, how did they get to the Hydra station, and why are they just sitting in some random folder gathering dust?
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January 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Brien
What is LOST?
January 28, 2009 at 1:46 am
Willo
I’m not sure….I was hoping you all would let me know. I think it’s some kind of new-fangled TV program or some such nonsense.
January 28, 2009 at 1:49 am
Willo
Seriously though. I’ve got a couple guesses about what might happen this season:
1) Farraday is the son of…………Penny and Desmond
2) The Oceanic 6 come back as Dharma employees. (wouldn’t that be fitting)
January 28, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Brooke Meyer
Ok, who is the old lady that was talking to Ben at the end of last week’s epsiode? And do we think Ben is a good guy or bad-I can’t figure it out…
January 28, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Brien
The lady that was seen at the end of the episode is Ms. Hawkins (or Hawking), I forgot. She was seen in one episode, in Season 3, I believe. The episode is the one where Desmond can see the future and he keeps seeing Charlie die. At some point, he is in London and goes to a jewelry shop to buy a ring for Penny. The lady is working the counter and for whatever reason knows he can see the future. She tells him that he can’t change the fate/future, and that what is meant to happen will. He is supposed to give her the ring back, but doesn’t and she is surprised by this.
As for Ben being good/bad. I guess, in my opinion, it’s all relative. Is he a “good” character like Jack. Maybe not. Is he “evil” like Widmore, possibly. I think Ben’s main purpose is self-preservation and protecting the island, possibly for his own gain. I don’t see him just willing to help people without a greater cause or a without some sort of gain to himself.
January 28, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Allen
It’s Hawking, like Stephen.
I think the question of who’s good and who’s bad is certainly relative. But I think it’s one of the best parts of LOST. There are many characters that have gone back and forth in this respect.
Sayid – former Iraq National guard (Bad), at first on the island he is very helpful (Good), then off the island he is convinced to become a mercenary for Ben (Bad), Now he’s helping his friend Hurley to get out of Ben’s reach (Good).
This is just one example, there’s plenty of times when I agreed with what Locke was doing, just to turn around and find myself back on Jack’s side.
I’m not sure we will really know until the end, who is the real bad guy (Ben or Widemore).
January 28, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Willo
I love the fact that “Good vs. Bad” is very ambiguous in Lost. For all we know, the “Losties” (crash survivors for the unitiated that are actually reading these) will end up being the bad guys, while the “others” will be good. Who knows. Is Widmore really bad? Obviously, it appears so, if he really hired those guys to kill everyone on the island. Ben is a little more of a mystery. My gut tells me that in the end, he will be good, but you just never know. I believe that he is truly attached to the island, similar to John Locke. I don’t think Widmore is attached to the island for the same reasons. I believe that some of what Ben said last season is probably true. Widmore probably wants to exploit the island somehow. This season is gonna be AWESOME!!!
January 29, 2009 at 5:03 am
Willo
Wow. That about sums up Jughead.
A young Charles Widmore was an other…..Faraday tested his experiments on a woman whose conciousness is going back and forth but hasn’t died yet….Locke sets things in motion for Alpert to come and find him when he’s born….Charlotte might be dead……
thoughts? comments? questions?
January 29, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Brooke Meyer
I don’t think Charlotte dies because I think I saw her in the previews for next week’s epsisode, but why do we think she is the only one on the island who is being affected physically by the time change????
January 29, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Brien
After watching the end of “The Lie” last week, it still appears that Ms. Hawking is in the monastery.
I guess it makes sense that Widmore was on the island at some point. Now, how will they explain his removal from the island. Will he choose to leave, will he be banished…?
Faraday’s mother is in L.A. To me, this reinforces the fact that it’s going to be a character we know.
January 29, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Stan
Don’t think Faraday is Desmond & Penny’s son after last night’s episode. Think they named the baby Charlie.
Hydrogen bombs used/tested in the South Pacific burned so hot upon explosion that they turned the beaches of the islands they dropped them on into glass….wonder if that will happen and if that could possibly play back into the “through the looking glass” theme from last season. It’s a stretch, but who knows.
January 29, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Willo
Yeah. I was off on the Faraday being Des and Penny’s son deal. I still think the Oceanic 6 will return as Dharma somehow though. I also think that maybe Faraday will be involved and that’s how he got into the Orchid station earlier. Maybe he’s trying to get in to turn the wheel again, hoping that it would stop the time jumping.
I’m not sure why Charlotte is the only one that is having the temporal displacement. I really just don’t have an answer for that one. For some reason I think Faraday will find a way to save her.
The Widmore reveal was massive. That means he was an other and definitely was on the island before Ben. What’s strange is that it seems like Alpert has a knack for forcing out leaders on the island. He helped Locke “cheat” to earn the respect of the Others in Season 3, therefore forcing Ben to submit to the fact that he was out. My guess is that his seemingly volatile relationship with Widmore means that maybe he will do the same to him at some point. Very interesting indeed.
By the way, I was looking closely at an Easter Egg on a podcast I listen to and the computer that Ms. Hawking was working on had a Dharma logo in the top right corner. Does that mean that the pendulum and computer were part of a Dharma station? Possibly. The hatch door sure looked like something out of the Hydra station to me. I’ve posted the picture above.
Also, for those of you that are interested, I’m going to give a little insight into characters as the season goes along. Similar to the info. above about Ms. Hawking. Just a little refresher for all of us. I haven’t decided if it will just be on this page and you’ll have to scroll, or if they will be separate and shorter blog topics. We’ll see. If any of you have any suggestions or requests for characters to start with, let me know.
***I heard an interesting theory today…a guy said that maybe the “Hostiles” are actually the Losties. He said that all of this messing around on the island at different times, Faraday knocking on the hatch, Locke confronting Alpert, the attacks, all are minor incidents that would cause the Others to believe that there is another group of people that seem to come and go mysteriously on the island. I thought it was an interesting theory.
January 30, 2009 at 1:23 am
zconnoisseur
Dharma logo is left of “monitor III”.
Kinda hard to tell, but I zoomed and it’s definitely a Dharma logo.
January 30, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Brien
2 things:
1) Theory on Ellie: Ellie could be short for Eloise, which was the name of the rat Faraday had, but also could be his mother’s name. What if Ellie was Faraday’s mother? He, also, said that she looked familiar. I am not sure if that was in reference to her being his mother or maybe she looks like Theresa.
2) I heard somewhere that the reason they kept pushing the button was to keep the island from jumping in time. I think that theory has some legs, but it’s hard to prove because once the hatch blew up, the island didn’t jump in time at all (that we know of).
January 30, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Brooke Meyer
Maybe Ms. Hawking is Faraday’s mother…
January 30, 2009 at 11:19 pm
zconnoisseur
I heard an interesting theory today that Ms. Hawking and Widmore are Faraday’s parents. Nice call Brooke.
could Sawyer and Clementine be Charlotte’s parents?
January 31, 2009 at 6:07 am
zconnoisseur
I don’t agree with the assumption that maybe Ben is the one that has brought the lawyers on Kate to force her hand. I think that it’s Claire’s Mom that wants the blood test. I’m not sure how she found out….maybe Ben told her.
January 31, 2009 at 6:08 am
zconnoisseur
or maybe, just maybe, Claire appeared to her mother.
February 2, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Brien
That would make sense, but for some reason I think it will be one of the O-6 that either has the lawyers on her (kate) or that one of them told Claire’s mother, so that could make sense, too.
February 4, 2009 at 12:02 am
zconnoisseur
tomorrow night…..”the Little Prince”…..should be a great one!!!
February 4, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Brooke Meyer
I agree that I don’t think Ben is the one behind getting the DNA testing for Kate and Aaron-it has to be someone (maybe Widemore) that is trying to keep them from getting back on the island somehow or suspects they are lying…
BTW I can’t believe what a “blogger” I have become!!! Can’t wait for tonight’s show
February 10, 2009 at 12:46 am
zconnoisseur
Brooke….impressive blogging. After “the Little Prince” this show is hitting a mid-season stride and it’s only the 4th episode. This season is going to kick-ace!!!
February 12, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Brooke Meyer
I was right!!! Ms. Hawking IS Faraday’s mother!!!!
Now we have to figure out how Faraday has been on the island previously and seems (or is pretending) not to remember (per Charlotte’s comment about him being the one to tell her when she was little that if she ever came back to the island she would die…and she did!)
February 12, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Ayden
Wait a second. I can’t believe that Brooke put the first comment up? Well, actually again. I think she’s officially become obsessed with the show! great episode. again, more questions than answers.
February 12, 2009 at 10:18 pm
zconnoisseur
What an episode!!! The smoke monster lurches in the temple….Charlotte grew up on the island….Locke turned the wheel per Christian Shephard’s advice (with an aside to tell his son hello)….Ms. Hawking appears to be Faraday’s Mom (although not answered definitively yet)….the sickness appears to be something related to the temple and/or Smokey.
Wow.
February 18, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Willo
can’t wait for tonight’s episode, 316!!! will all the O6 decide to go back…can just a few of them go anyway? What time are the island jumpees in now? have they stopped jumping in time and settled on a destination?
It should be a good one.
We get this week’s episode and next week’s, titled, “the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham” (I think) and then we get a week break before the last half of the season. Awesome!!!
February 18, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Brien
I think 316 is in reference to Stonecold Steve Austin. Austin 3:16 = I will whoop your ass. Hopefully he makes a guest appearance.
February 19, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Willo
well, looks like 316 was the Aljira flight. What an episode!!!! The hits just keep on coming.
The Lamp-Post station….what a great reference to CS Lewis’ Chronicles of Narnia (for those that don’t remember, the Lamp-Post was the marker that helped the 4 kids find their way back from Narnia….if they could find it, they could get back out). Now, the station is a way for the Dharma Initiative to find their way back to the island. Makes me question how Ben and the Others were able to use the Submarine to get on and off though.
Sweet Dharma logo on that door too.
How about the “re-creation” of the original flight? Hurley carrying a guitar (ala Charlie)…Locke’s body with Christian’s shoes….Sayid being brought onboard in handcuffs (ala Kate)….Kate wearing the shades (ala Charlie)…
by the way….who got Hurley and Sayid on the flight and how did they end up carrying the guitar and being in handcuffs?
February 19, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Brien
Alright, I have a ton to say about this episode, besides the fact it was sweet ass. 1) Where did Aaron go? Me thinks that Kate went to Claire’s mother and told her the truth and now Aaron is living with her. 2) Why were Hurley and Sayid on the plane? I think that we will find out that Charlie goes to Hurley and tells him to get on the plane for whatever reason and tells him to bring the guitar with him. The big surprise was that Lapidus was flying the plane. I didn’t see that one coming, but makes total sense.
I think what I wrote earlier is going to hold true. The O6 has landed back in the late 70s when the Dharma Initiative was still building the different hatches.
It’s going to be sick to see the story of Locke/Bentham. I mean, he is going to be reincarnated on the island similar to the story of Jack’s father, Christian Shephard. It makes me wonder if Christian Shephard killed himself, too, possibly trying to get Jack on the original flight (815). It’s going to be interesting to see just how similar these circumstances become.
February 19, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Willo
I think that you’re dead on about Charlie convincing Hurley to get on the plane….or….in a more interesting twist…..what if it was Libby? Not too likely I suppose, but definitely someone Hugo would listen to.
I think that Ben probably went to see Sayid and basically set him up. He knew that Sayid would whip his ass, but he probably had the Cops on standby. why he’s being transported to Guam? No idea.
I like the idea that Kate gave Aaron to Claire’s Mom. Interesting how she asked Jack not to mention him ever again. Also interesting is that Walt, Aaron, and Ji Yeon are still not on the island.
I thought it was really cool how Jin came upon them and I can’t wait to see what happened to Sun, Ben, and Locke’s body.
Oh yeah, next week’s episode is probably gonna be even better than this one.
AWESOME
February 26, 2009 at 4:12 am
zconnoisseur
so….any thoughts on the episode, “the life and death of jeremy bentham”? I thought it was solid overall but not quite what I was expecting (as far as the Bentham story) Looks like those of you that were hoping the warring Widmore and Ben storyline would die down will be disappointed as it appears that it’s more convoluted than ever….who’s good? who’s bad? who effin’ knows. To be honest, I really hope that’s not the overarching story that this shit’s been driving at. Seriously. I don’t mind the idea that widmore wants the island, Ben wants the island, but do we have to sit and effin’ wonder for another season and a half who’s on what side? Looks like the answer to that is yes.
I have a feeling there will be a LOT more to it than just that though.
Like…..was it just me or did the Hydra station look rundown as Caesar was rifling through shit at the beginning? If that’s true, then I would guess that they are in a different time …. well, absolutely they are in a different time…Jack, Kate, and Hurley (maybe Sun? Sayid?) disappeared before the crash, so they actually were moved by a time-flash….we know that they ended up at the same time as Jin (and I’m guessing, Juliet, Sawyer, Miles, and Daniel too) The plane would’ve crashed in present day like the original Flight 815.
How they all meet back up….who knows, but it looks like Ajira crash survivors were the ones shooting at the other outrigger in the Little Prince, but it might be 4 redshirts, Caesar, and Ilana (was that her name?)
Anyway….I’ll recap it next week, but overall I thought it was a pretty good episode.
February 26, 2009 at 5:12 am
zconnoisseur
Check out the new pics and info. above 2/26/09
February 26, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Brooke Meyer
I agree-good episode, but just when I thought I was figuring things out they confused me again! I am convinced that Ben is the bad one though…not that Widemore is innocent but Ben has repeatedly shown he can’t be trusted and is very coniving. Guess we will have to wait and see!
February 26, 2009 at 6:46 pm
zconnoisseur
I think that Alpert is the master manipulator (and possibly a little indecisive). He got Ben to boot Widmore, he got Locke to boot Ben (kinda), so who’s next? he probably got Widmore to boot someone before he became the leader and on and on …etc. It’s as if he is the island’s “hiring” agent and has just not quite found the “perfect” fit for the role of island leader. Good thing he doesn’t age or he’d have long since died.
by the way, why is Locke so vital? I mean, in the grand scheme of things, someone that’s as revered as Locke seems to be….by more than one “big wig” from the island…..would be the person to stop a nuclear explosion or invent the time-machine to change the course of history or kill a certain entity……somehow wandering around aimlessly, taking orders from every person you run into doesn’t seem to fit the mold of a “special” person on this island.
So all that to give you this:
Locke is still a pawn……why is he needed on the island? It’s like I said…..he will be the one to detonate ole’ Jughead when the time is right (not stop it). Now that makes him special, vital, and I would assume revered in an island history class. That’s how I think the island will be saved. You see, by blowing up the island, it rids the world of the existence from 2007/08/09 on, but for the Losties…..they will be forever on the island, at some date in the past. Free to live out their wildest dreams, but “like a kind of purgatory”, trapped on the island until their death.
why can’t women on the island give birth? Because the island won’t exist in the future…therefore there’s no room for a longer life span than those whose lives are already determined.
What do you do when 2 kids are fighting over the same toy (besides the easy route of buying 2 identical toys….which doesn’t always work either)? You take away the toy and tell them to go play outside or do something else. Hence, what’s the solution for Locke to manage both Ben and Widmore’s advances? Take away their “toy” island…..forever.
Or maybe I’m just full of shi’ite. that’s more likely.
February 26, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Todd
I don’t think Locke will have to destroy the island – at least I hope not. It seems like everyone values its existance enough that they wouldn’t want it to be destroyed. And even if it exists in some period in time, it would still reach that day of destruction. All the while, Ben or Whitmore or both would probably be present on the island, ruining it for everyone else. And as for the good vs. bad angle – I think both of them are turd sandwiches with wholly selfish intentions. And although Locke has been easily manipulated, he still seems pure at heart and perhaps hasn’t had that epiphany that makes him the leader that he is supposed to be.
February 26, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Brien
Turd sandwiches….that’s funny.
February 27, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Allen
I’m wondering why Ben wasn’t more intrigued to hear that Jack had a suicide note for Locke. It didn’t appear that Ben ever saw it while staging the suicide. You would think he would be more interested, but he gets up to give Jack privacy.
Willo, I think you’ve got a pretty good theory there, but as always we’ll see!!
March 1, 2009 at 9:27 pm
zconnoisseur
The question now becomes…..how did Hawking get the suicide note?
March 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm
zconnoisseur
well, well, well. LaFleur was Sawyer and LaFleur, as an episode, was fan-effin’-tastic. With all of the time flashes, Bentham trekking, wheel turning, and smoke monster arm ripping, it’s good to see the show get back to what makes it great…..the characters. I’m going to tell you that there were 3 pivotal scenes last night that had Willo tearing up a little:
1) the scene between Juliet and Sawyer where he talks her into staying for 2 more weeks (which obviously turned into 3 years)…..You get the feeling that they are truly connecting and it’s a really touching moment. Seriously.
2) the scene between Sawyer and Goodspeed where Sawyer tells him how 3 years IS enough time to get over someone. What an unbelievably emotional speech that Sawyer gives. We really start to realize that it’s actually been 3 years for these folks (despite the fact that it’s hammered home every time the time period changes…..it still never really resonated with me until tonight…as far as the effect it would have on their relationships) and…
3) the scene where Sawyer sees Jack, Hurley, and Kate. Man, I’m just gonna go on record and say that if that scene evoked THAT much emotion……I’m scared to think how I’ll feel when Sun and Jin reunite. Yowsa!!! It’s not just Sawyer’s reaction to seeing Kate though that makes it great. It’s his reaction to seeing his Friends again. We can tell that he has truly missed them all…..
This, folks, is why Lost is going to be remembered and why I believe that no matter how the storyline of Widmore, Ben, the smoke monster, and the Black Rock ends……it’s going to be one hell of an emotional ride to see our “losties” reach their island end…..
***one side note……anybody notice the massive statue attached to the four-toed leg this time. Hi-Yo!!!!
March 5, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Stan
hell of an episode last night. More discussion of a runway and who the hell is the baby boy that was born? Born in 1974, so he’d be 34 if the island is on “real time”. In any case, he’d be old enough to be Boone, Charlie or Desmond.
So when does “the war” start? I’m assuming it’s between Alpert’s “people” and the Dharma guys and it must involve the polar bears getting out of their cages (remember sawyer killing one awhile back?). Also, I wonder if the shark with the dharma symbol on his fin will show up again? Any other creatures that they’ve been experminating with?
March 5, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Ayden
The statue looked like an Egyptian too. Remember Hurley was drawing the sphinx at the crazy house? Hmmm? Could there be some sort of connection there? Also, Alpert looks Eqyptian. Didn’t they always have dark features and wear ear makeup? The last part is a stretch, but it’ll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Also, it was a short scene, but how about the physicist seeing Charlotte as a little girl?
March 5, 2009 at 5:42 pm
zconnoisseur
does Charlotte’s age gel? Ben says she was born in 1979 which means that she wouldn’t be alive yet….and yet here she is (maybe…it could be that Daniel’s a bit delusional right now) around 3 or 4 years old in 1974….hmmmm.
I think that Guyliner (Alpert) was definitely an Egyptian. makes total sense. well, not total, but more sense than nothing.
The statue did look like an Egyptian God. It looked to be holding an Ankh (which is also the symbol on the necklace that Amy took from Paul) It’s the Egyptian symbol for fertility and eternal life I believe. Interesting how she’s holding onto the symbol for fertility and eternal life and becomes the first woman we know of to successfully give birth on the island.
So, who’s the baby? Maybe it’s Alpert. (eternal life)
No. I actually have no clue.
I do think that the little girl that Faraday saw might be Annie (not Charlotte) that means Ben will be showing up in the near future as a boy.
Where are Bernard and Rose?
March 5, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Todd
Sorry I’m just jumping in. Liz and I closed on the new house today. I have so much moving to do I almost regret buying. Nah, f that. Anyhow, anyone think the baby boy could be Ethan? I don’t know why but it was the first to pop in my head.
Interesting theory with Alpert being an Egyptian. Maybe he’s actually a god. It’s definitely a running theme with the statue, necklace, hieroglyphs, sphinx watercolors, yadda yadda oh-ee-oh.
So we’ve seen a lot of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism (Nameste!) and Egyptian religion, and Atheism. How PC!
March 6, 2009 at 1:43 pm
zconnoisseur
congrats on the house man!!! Let me know when you need Fonville Meyer Building Co. to make a road trip to do some work for you.
I love the philosophy, religion, and literary references in the show…..there seem to be thousands.
Ethan is a great, great call by the way.
March 19, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Willo
well, well, well. another great episode.
Ethan was a spot-on call for the baby. Ben being alive with them as a kid….great….and Sun not being in 1977….weird.
anyway, wanna hear what you all think…I’ll comment more later.
March 19, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Todd
Another great episode. I know we’ve seen little Ben before, but wow. He looks even more like creepy grown-up Ben this time. And wouldn’t it be crazy to see him and Ethan as children, having known them as adults? Crazy.
Willo, did you catch Hurley’s Uga sweatshirt in the van ride to camp? I guess it was in the clothes that Sawyer gave them to help them fit in. I’m going to go ahead and say that was a shout-out to World of Willo. A stretch, sure, but I know you enjoyed it.
March 19, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Brooke Meyer
Agreed-I was thinking “how pumped is Will right now that Hurley is sporting love for the UGA!!!”
March 19, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Willo
The UGA sweatshirt was frakkin’ sweet!!!
By the way…..couple of quick predicts (one’s a little out there):
1) Ethan will be Ben’s accomplice during “the Purge”. I believe we’ll see that he was the one that helped Ben gas the rest of the Dharma gang while Ben was killing his father.
2) the reason that Ben and Widmore are so desperately vying for control of the island is because I believe that the eventual “leader” of the island…..that being the person that gets the island to unfold in the proper manner (i.e…..the right people on the island, the right events occuring, etc…) will be granted eternal life. Alpert, Christian, possibly even Locke now……are like spirit guides. they are able to guide someone in the direction that they believe to be correct, but they can’t do it for them and they ultimately can’t force them to do anything. they can only suggest the proper course.
are Christian and Alpert on the same side? Yes, I think in some way they are. I think the reason why Jacob uttered “Help Me” to Locke was because Ben was leading the island in the wrong direction, but he’d become so set in his ways, that he was beginning to refuse “the island’s” direction.
so Locke becomes the pawn to try and set the island back on it’s “proper” course. Now, is this the course that will lead to Widmore’s return to prominence? Not sure, but it’s obviously a course that Ben’s not liking very much by the way he was hauling ass back to the island last night.
My guess is that shaping the island into a series of events that unfold in a certain manner is what the “rules” pertain to. It’s a sort of game that’s been played out since the time of the “Egyptians” and the payoff…….eternal life. You can live forever in your own utopian construction (as long as you are moving the island forward in the proper direction).
Ok, so it’s a little far-fetched….but you never know.
March 19, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Stan
knew you’d love that sweatshirt…there has gotta be some kind of writer connection to UGA…or is Sawyer from Georgia? Is it me or has Juliet gotten hotter?
March 20, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Todd
She’s definitely gotten hotter.
March 25, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Todd
Good recap, Will. One thing occurred to me. I wonder if it’s possible that younger versions of Sun and Frank are already on the 1977 island. We know young Ben is there. Maybe that’s why they didn’t get flashed back to 1977. There can only be one version of any given person on the island at any given time. I don’t know – just a thought.
March 25, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Willo
That’s a good thought about Frank and Sun. The other theory (posted by Doc Jensen on EW.com) is that maybe they weren’t supposed to come back. Maybe the island is segregating those that “were not finished with their island work” and those that “are finished”.
For example, Ben turned the wheel so the assumption is that he wasn’t supposed to come back….at least that’s what we thought from the way it was presented…almost like once you turn the wheel, you’re banished.
Locke, the same as Ben. he turned the wheel and shouldn’t be back on the island.
Sun was supposed to leave, along with Aaron.
Other than that, Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Sayid were not supposed to leave (because they had something to do in the island’s past).
As far as 2 versions of the same person on the island at the same time….we know (or at least assume) that Locke, Sawyer, and Juliet were all on the island (although not in the same vicinity) at the same time as their past selves….as established by the light from the hatch when Locke saw it earlier this season. The time frame is established and there’s no reason to think that they wouldn’t be there.
We know (or assume) that the baby born at the beginning of this season to Pierre Chang is probably Miles. What will be interesting is how they handle getting to that point and if Miles will still be alive and/or on the island. The Comic-Con video of Pierre Chang has a baby crying in the background and it sounds like Faraday is the one filming the scene. That time frame can’t be too far from when we saw Chang and the baby at the beginning of the season. At that point, Chang passed Faraday at the Orchid Station but didn’t really acknowledge him yet.
March 25, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Todd
But Desmond and the hatch were there before 815, so maybe they were seeing the light in a time shortly before the crash of 815. At any rate, I think the theory of them being finished with their island work does make more sense.
By the way, did anyone else think the CG was aweful during Lapidus’s crash landing? It looked like some cheesy video game graphics out of the window of the plane – sub-standard fx for Lost in my opinion.
March 25, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Brien
As Will pointed out, I don’t think the reason that Sun is 2007 instead of 1977 is because she can’t co-exist with a former version of herself. I am starting to buy into the whole she was supposed to leave the island while the Jack and Co. weren’t. I do, however, find this very convenient as it builds for the Sun-Jin reunion.
The question I have is will 2007 Ben start remembering the Losties from 1977? Will he wake up like Desmond did with these memories starting to appear? Or did Ben already have this knowledge prior to the Losties ending up in 1977?
March 25, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Willo
remember, Sawyer saw Claire giving birth so that set them in the time frame that would have them on the island….it wasn’t a prior time when just Desmond was in the hatch….
Also, I like the idea that Ben will now remember or begin to remember the Losties from 1977…..maybe it will take some time to put it together……or maybe, just maybe……he’s known all along……hence the list…..maybe it wasn’t Jacob’s list at all but Bens’
March 25, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Willo
I just had a thought….actually I’m calling my shot……
I’m gonna say that all of the Losties………
were on the island as children.
March 25, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Brooke Meyer
But wouldn’t they remember being on the island as children? Charlotte did and Ben obviously remembers…you never know with this show. That might explain why Jack’s dad, Christian, is a “ghost” on the island. There are ALWAYS twists and turns, that’s why we love it!
March 26, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Todd
Great episode last night. I was thinking that they might have all been there as children. Maybe they were sent away as infants or something. As for Ben, I think he already knew. I’m thinking that the whole time he was captive, he knew Sayid was the guy he freed. But how he’ll survive being shot in the chest by Sayid in 1977 – no idea.
March 26, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Stan
great one last night….sayid is one bad mother. Guess that was sodium pentathol (sp?) aka truth serum that the “witch doctor” gave to sayid?
good point about ben being shot….how will he survive that? maybe the island doesn’t let you change the past…didn’t Faraday say something about that?
March 26, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Willo
I thought it was a very solid episode. I love how it seems like the island is now almost punishing Sayid for his past transgressions. After torturing all those people, you could see the genuine fear in his eyes when they had HIM strapped to the tree.
I got the impression that it was LSD that they were giving him….still an experimental drug and it was interesting how they fed it on a sugarcube. that would explain Oldham’s comment about the dose being too large. Then again, I don’t really know what the effects of an actual truth serum are (other than the obvious).
Great casting of “MY other Brother Daryl” as Oldham. He’s great as a creepy dude.
It would be very cool if Ben was dead and we see that it somehow changes the future, but we all know how Lost works…and when you think someone’s dead….they aren’t.
Faraday did mention that you can’t change things….that it has happened or is going to happen, but I’m beginning to think that he might be wrong about that. I’m thinking that part of the plotting by Ben, Widmore, and maybe shephard is to try and change the course of events….they would be the ones to know if it’s possible and it seems like a futile effort if they know it can’t be done.
March 26, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Allen
Here’s what I found really interesting. The name of the episode is “He’s Our You”. So what is Oldham? Seems that he’s an interegator. How did they know that Sayid used to the very same thing. Or did they mean he was a spy for them? Some of them (especially Radzinsky) thought Sayid was a spy. Or did they mean he was a turncoat from the others crew? Sawyer wanted Sayid to say he was defecting.
I like the idea that Sun et al. weren’t supposed to come back. I was thinking last night, that maybe Jin will do something or needs to do something important in 1977, and the island kept her from him as a kind of way put him in a certian mindset.
Good Episode & great work Willo
April 2, 2009 at 11:53 am
Willo
Man….another really, really good episode last night. Allen and I talked about it briefly, but it just seems like they are really doing a great job of continuing to flesh out these characters while also progressing the story and filling in holes from the past. The writers/creators are truly doing some of the most amazing/unique work ever seen on TV.
Allen made a great point last night….that all those people who quit on Lost or say they don’t like it because of the questions created every week……are REALLY missing out. Unbelievable.
As far as this episode goes….great to see what Kate did with Aaron (by the way, how creepy was it that the woman in the grocery store looked like a perfect cross between Claire and her Mom?)….I thought she was gonna give him to Cassidy, but it was cool to see Ms. Littleton’s reaction. When the Giacchino score kicked in as Kate was looking at Aaron, you couldn’t help but feel bad for her….man is that score REALLY good/haunting/powerful. I don’t know what theme that is, but it’s pretty moving and you know shit’s going down when it kicks in.
So, the whole time travel discussion was brilliant. I loved how Hurley was looking at his hand and brought up the “Back to the Future” time travel theory. (Cause you know in entertainment there are 2 ways you can go with time travel….BTTF or the Terminator) Good arguments by Hugo and Miles. Still….how damn confusing is it all? At least we know the “powers that be” are paying attention and I feel pretty confident that it will all be explained somehow.
Kate’s needle drop theme music was back for those that noticed….it’s a common theory that a lot of the characters have certain styles of music or artists that are playing in their “centric” episodes….Kate’s happens to be Patsy Cline and it was playing last night when she pulled up to Cassidy’s. She actually was singing it a little while walking to the door.
Jack sure is different. Looks like he’s taken what Locke told him to heart. I think he really feels the weight of what’s going on more than any of the rest of them. I think it’s amazing that he’s kept his mouth shut, but what’s he gonna say? Juliet is chastizing him for coming back, but she has no idea. She praised Locke for saving them, but Locke’s goal when leaving was to get the O6 back. So Juliet is being a little selfish, to say the least.
I mean, how does she not at least care a little bit about where Rose and Bernard might be? Come on……and what about those food drops?
April 2, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Brien
My question about the grocery store is, do you think that Aaron somehow knows who his mother is? I don’t find it a coincidence that he was holding hands with a lady that from the backside could potentially be Claire. I wonder if he somehow remembers what she looks like. Since when did Cassidy become a psychiatrist? I mean she was really breaking down the psyche of Kate and Sawyer last night. I wonder what she charges.
Hurley brought up the man question that was bothering me about Ben. If Sayid shot him, wouldn’t he recognize him in the future. I guess that was answered by Alpert when he said Ben would have no recollection of what happened. Where did Alpert take Ben? Was that the Orchid or the Temple or neither? I wonder what they are going to do to him to make him forget this event and forge him into the conniving manipulator he will grow up to be.
By the way, did anyone feel the sexual tension between Juliet and Jack in the “shower scene”? I thought for sure there was going to be some lip action going on there.
Also, when LeFluer and Kate brought Ben to Alpert, I thought I heard one of the Others mention getting back to Widmore and Elly. Did anyone else hear that?
April 2, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Allen
He definitely said Elli and Widmore. I think Alpert’s response said it all. He may not be their leader, but he is truly the main man for the Others (No matter what year it is).
April 2, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Ayden
Who’s Ellie again? I know it’s not Ellie Wiezel.
April 2, 2009 at 2:55 pm
zconnoisseur
The cool thing about Alpert’s comments regarding Ben being “one of them” was that I felt like he was talking about something greater than just becoming one of “the Others”…..like he was going to be given eternal life….or salvation….or something akin to a cultish promise that he would have to abide by forever.
It sounded like Ellie was somehow in charge and that maybe Widmore wasn’t on the island? The guy asked if Alpert was going to tell Ellie and then he said that Charles wouldn’t be happy. Alpert told the dude that he didn’t answer to either of them. Then he proceeded to back his way into The Temple. Pretty effin’ sweet. (oh yeah…one more thing regarding Widmore….I always thought that his comment to Ben about him taking “everything” from him might have been in regards to “the Purge” but now we see that Widmore was an “other” and really had no connection to Dharma. So what did Ben take? Maybe his wife? His leadership role? His Island?)
By the way, previews for next week show Ben telling Locke (or someone) that he came back to be judged. Either that’s BS or Widmore is forcing him to do it after the run-in with Penny before the Ajira flight.
My guess is that we’ll see the actions that Ben took to try and kill Penny and then what Widmore does in retaliation. I think it has something to do with the rules. Then again, Ben could be lying his ass off.
Oh yeah, and I definitely felt the tension between Jack and Juliet…..and I only have 1 minor problem with the episode……no effin’ way they try and save Ben (even as a child) knowing what he did to them in the future. NO WAY!!! Jack’s finally the one making the right choice and showing some balls.
April 13, 2009 at 6:42 pm
zconnoisseur
anybody up for commenting on last week’s episode? Damn, it was great….unfortunately, I got a little sidetracked in Aiken, so I wasn’t giving it my undivided attention. Give me a chance to rewatch and we’ll talk.
A few tidbits….
Alex looked all made up and ready to rumble…similar to Claire in ghost?form…
Locke is really confident….I wonder what that means? is he still being led astray?
man, if there is not some kind of huge significance behind the hieroglyphics and shit, then they sure have spent a lot of time building some rather elaborate sets….only to leave us to ruminate over the meaning of said symbols
April 15, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Brooke Meyer
Ok, I am going through withdrawls not having my weekly re-cap of last weeks LOST before the new one airs tonight…
April 16, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Ayden
Another good one. I wonder how Miles’ ability to listen to the dead is going to play into all of this. I really don’t see what point it serves, but the writers don’t put things in there for no reason. Pretty interesting to see them building the hatch and the fact that the guy filling was pulled through his brain by a magnet. Wasn’t the button they pushing a long time ago, keeping the magnet from turning on? I remember when they stopped pushing the button, the metal doors got torn off, etc.
April 16, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Brooke Meyer
So….does anyone know “what lies in the shadow of the statue”???????
April 25, 2009 at 4:40 am
zconnoisseur
I believe it’s probably the bomb “Jughead”…..that would be my guess.
April 29, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Todd
Looks like we’ll get some answers tonight possibly. Farraday may be spilling the beans finally.
Also, check out the interview with Michael Emerson. Awesome.
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2009/04/ben-linus-reads-a-nursery-rhyme-michael-emerson-is-amazing/
April 30, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Brooke Meyer
Will-you were right!!! Last night’s episode was great! I finally feel like my questions are being answered.
April 30, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Todd
That was a great episode. So was he saying that “what happened happened” isn’t necessarily the case? Because people are variables, they can change the outcome?
May 7, 2009 at 5:04 am
zconnoisseur
for those of you that might be wondering….
http://www.milnet.com/nukbang.htm
this link will explain how to detonate a nuclear bomb…..
clearly, Jack and Co. won’t be able to do it, but hey, you never know with Lost right?
By the way….I tried to read up on the theory behind nuclear bombs….and wow…..it just reminded me how much smarter SO many people are in this world…..despite going over fission/fusion radioactive decay/radiation about 3 or 4 times…….I still don’t have a great grip on how in the hell a nuclear bomb (be it fission or fusion……fat man or little boy) works.
Oh well, my guess is that they don’t detonate it anyway…..unless….
you can detonate a nuclear bomb by hitting it on the nose with a hammer….
unfortunately….I’m guessing Jack, Eloise, Alpert, and Sayid don’t have an Estwing.
May 7, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Allen
Thank You Fearless Leader. I can rest easy now with this knowledge
“the one subcritical mass must be positioned precisely in position in relation to the other subcritical mass AND the triggers must detonate the surrounding mass of explosive AND compress exactly at the right moment to ensure a chain reaction takes place.”
So, Jack’s in way over his head. Got it.
May 7, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Brien
What a mind job that scene was last night where Locke tells Alpert to tell Locke what to do. I wonder if that isn’t setting up similar scenes where the 1977 Losties are basically going to write out the history of the island for the next 27 years until they reappear again.
May 7, 2009 at 1:11 pm
zconnoisseur
dudes. there are just so many possibilities. Here’s what I wanna know:
- what’s up with the food drops?
- where are Rose and Bernard?
no, but seriously……
If Widmore was an “other”, Hawking was an “other”, Ben was/is an “other”, Locke is an “other”, and Alpert is an advisor to the “others”…….
who in the hell started the Dharma initiative? Isn’t it a little late in the game to be introducing some brand new (massively important) character?
May 7, 2009 at 1:14 pm
zconnoisseur
by the way….I can sleep a little sounder at night just knowing that a nuclear bomb takes sheer perfection just to effin’ detonate…..and even then it sounds like it might not fully explode…….at least we know that just dropping it….even from momentous heights won’t trigger it.
May 14, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Todd
What…
a….
season…
finale!
Will, you got your answer about Rose and Bernard. Who knows what’s up with the food drops.
So the incident, I guess, was the nuke going off on the energy pocket. I can’t wait to see what that will bring about. Do you think it’s significant that the title screen is now a negative of the original white-on-black title screen? I know time travel, nuclear physics, metaphysics, and all that are tied in with the concept of duality, so it will be very interesting to see if next season is some sort of interpretation of that.
Oh, and bravo for Josh Holloway. He really made that last scene believable. Holy eff.
May 14, 2009 at 7:15 pm
zconnoisseur
I have to say that Sawyer seems to have come the farthest…as far as character growth….with Jack being right behind him…..who would’ve ever thought that Sawyer would be so emotionally torn trying to save Juliet’s life and Jack would be all “Destiny is Real” and shit. Damn. I have to say that those were Emmy…ish moments last night between Sawyer and Juliet. Really, really, moving. I hate to see her go, but you know, “V” is calling.
Anyway….great, great episode…..I really have NO idea where they are going, but I’ll take a stab at it:
they wake up on the island, right after the island moved last season (so, 2007, right?) from there I have no idea. makes you wonder what Evil Locke’s intentions are now. also makes you wonder what actually happened….did the bomb go off and change history, or did the electromagnetic “incident” occur as it was supposed to?
May 14, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Allen
I also loved Holloway’s and Mitchell’s performances. That scene could have been really sappy and well crappy but it was done so well by those 2. It was great.
Also, Michael Emerson, as usual was fantastic. Whether it was sarcatic “It’s a door”, or seriously sad ” What about me?”, he nailed it every time.
Lots of questions to ponder, to bad it’s 2010 before the answers come.
May 14, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Willo
one more thing….well, for now….I just finished reading Doc Jensen’s recap on last night’s episode (link below)……and before he even got to his opinion of it, I had a couple realizations:
1) the guy that played Jacob’s nemesis…..was a bounty hunter type dude in Deadwood (he seemed much younger in that) named Silas Adams
so there you go (that makes him the 5th Deadwood alumnus after Paula Malcomson, Robin Weigert, Kim Dickens, and William Sanderson)…interesting
2) Jacob’s nemesis was the one that was locked in the cabin and said “Help Me” to Locke. It all makes sense now. He was searching for a way to inhabit someone’s body….Locke was the one that heard him….the circle of ash or brick dust was keeping him trapped in the cabin….for whatever reason, that circle was broken last night (Ilana noticed it) meaning that he found a way to escape….it was only fitting that as they burned down the former “prison” of Jacob’s nemesis…..they were carrying the reason he escaped in a large metal box.
Interesting…..I finally thought of something that Doc Jensen also mentions….nice…..
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20278837,00.html